mole shop is a great sheme, don't blame the sheme... blame the poster/spammer :p

Aww, no need to generalize, man...

People that make mole maps aren't looking for good tags. Their sole purpose is to overload the server with feces. I honestly am beginning to think all the people who play mole shopper are 10 year old retards, judging by the level of creativity in the maps I've seen

Death to mole!

Personally, I think all mole shopper maps should be awarded zero experience points without question, regardless of how nice it looks. If you want points for a mole shopper... then try and do something really different, like say a jigsaw with some of its pieces missing, or a pyramid of playing cards perhaps?

Otherwise I stand firm on this; if you spend zero time on making a map, then expect zero reward from your lack of effort.

This map is getting old....please play somthing else......
#4020

*likes*

5 point rating system owns. 10 is way too much imo.

A very simple idea for a feature, which has been tossed around by several members here, is a Like button for comments - resembling Facebook. This would, in theory, be easy to implement and would provide entertainment. Or just the thumbs up thing like YouTube has. Every forum environment has something like this, really

The auto delete idea is good, but I can see some potential issues with it. Someone with personal vendettas against an individual could essentially delete their maps just by consecutively voting badly towards them (multiple pc's, logins, etc). I guess that will really be a factor regardless of any system put in place...

What if the map in question was really loved by the author and it's playability, etc were downright terrible, and was deleted from bad reviews.

Thinking about it, it may actually be a great idea. It would possibly provide some strive towards bettering their maps - the fear of them being auto-deleted haha.

In any case, I am thoroughly happy this stuff is even being discussed. WMDB has been stagnant for a while and needs a revamping.

I really don't think 1-10 is necessary; it would just make the system more cluttered. Even if there were to be descriptors for all 10 items, how meaningful would they be? I think having guideline definitions for each scoring tag - for example, Effort...

0 - Spam
1 - Minimal effort
2 - Little effort
3 - Some effort
4 - Moderate effort
5 - Great effort

...would be a lot more helpful to people trying to come up with a score than would having twice as many numbers to pick from. And if you had descriptors like that for 10 options... well, pardon my French, but I think it would quite frankly be a clusterfuck.

I also like the star system Nando's got in place. If it was really necessary to have a 10-point system, one could make one point equivalent to half a star... but I'm still in favor of the five-point system. I don't think we should complicate things too much or many people will be deterred from voting. It should be a quick and easy process for your casual site visitor, nothing that requires an extensive amount of thought or planning.

I also mentioned to Nando, mayhaps we could include a feature that auto-deletes maps which have been voted on so many times (5 or 10, maybe) and have an average score of less than 1. An automatic spam getter-ridder-ofer. What are your opinions?

1-10 is really much better, man..
u can think up an instruction, like 1 - awful, 2 - very bad, 3 - bad, 4 - so so, and so on

That's great to hear!
Good luck with your exams ^^ I'll use the time to clean up and comment the code to try and make it easier to implement :)
Not sure about the 1-10 myself, 0-5 seems pretty distinctive to me, and it looks a lot cleaner with the graphical (star based) display that I'm using. The number itself is easy to adjust, though, if necessary.
If anyone else wants to have an early look at the system, feel free to PM me for the URL.

I didn't get your email :/ I like what you wrote, though, it's more or less what I had in mind :) (maybe with a 1-10 scale instead of 1-5)

I have my final-final exams next week, after that I can implement it.

That's also odd that FFie hasn't replied to you yet. I always get a reply immediately; I think she has it set up so that she gets an email when a PM is received.

Maybe FFie hasn't had internet access for the past few days, or something?

I don't think sending out notifications would be very feasible. Especially since once a map is in its final version and left on the site for a while, it could have hundreds of votes cast on it.

Why I mentioned resetting the votes is because the only other option would be to keep the score and votes from the last version of the map... but then, that wouldn't be very fair to the updated version, and people would abuse that system by deleting and re-uploading maps instead of updating them to reset their scores anyway. Might as well cut out the middle man - because again, odds are, no matter how many times you re-upload the same map, the score won't change too much.

As for non-scoring tags, I still think those could be handled in one of two ways... we could drop them entirely and just leave them up to text tags like we have now, or we could add checkboxes to the voting window with traits like Open, Tight, Easy, Challenging, Simple, Complex, Collaboration... things like that. Just for the sake of refining search options.

I think our ultimate goal here should be to create a system that relies on the staff's input as little as possible. Adult and Remix are obviously going to have to be handled by staff from time to time, but presumably in the same way they are now: The map uploader can set those tags when uploading the map, but if he or she fails to tag them correctly the staff can intervene and change them. I think the Open/Tight tags could be handled in a completely different way that didn't require staff involvement, though.

By the way I've just updated the site:
- number of ratings (+link) displayed on list of recent maps
- 'n/a' instead of '0.0' for maps without ratings
- voting screen changed to allow ratings of 0-5 (was 1-5 before)
- graphics of the voting screen look nicer now ^^

Still waiting for a reply from FFie, however :|

I agree with Apocalypse: The whole point of creating this system is that there is no reason why an admin's opinion and taste should be more valid than that of other WMDB users. It would be easy to make the system count an admin's vote double or 5 times or whatever, but I definitely don't want to do that.

Tags like adult, open/tight, remix etc. would still be moderated by admins, I haven't written anything concerning that part.

Currently I have no function for updating maps on my version of the page, but I guess it would be reasonable to remove all ratings when a user updates their map. Additionally, it would be possible to send a notification to all users that had rated the map before it was updated, asking them to vote again. Just an idea, though.

Why have a separate review for staff members? Why not just have one for everyone, staff or otherwise?

hippies

no, Apocalypse, you do not understand .....
EXP,and tags by site (admins, moderators and reviewers), and a possible vote by the members, but separate.

Possibility of voting for members, in addition to already existing tags, and well separated.


Because quite often, members do not agree with the review, then it would allow them to note from their view, without having to tackle (verbally) to the reviewers because they are not a same opinion.
They would be sufficient to make their own vote in the Part: "voting public or members".
you understand me? or still do?


alalala ... I hope you get to understand me .... English is very complicated for me.

Note by site and public? What?

Staff reviews will cease to be. It'll all be member votes.